TradeMe Hall of
Shame
creation.faithweb.com/blacklist.html
jjbc (5) 15:54:11,
9/02/2002
ok
There are lots more,can
you tell me can we add to this?
gypsy (243) 
16:14:25,
9/02/2002
Post them here, or...
email
them to me. I will check out each account, and if warranted will
add them to the list.
jjbc (5) 16:27:32,
9/02/2002
probably be the
wrong
thing to do to place bad traders heree.Better to email them to
you.
gypsy (243) 16:37:46,
9/02/2002
I have added a link
on the
site if you wish to send me some suggested names.
jjbc (5) 16:51:14,
9/02/2002
jason_liefting
Another
Hayden!
kjekyll (14) 
16:54:21,
9/02/2002
ok, this is not funny...
please
add old_d_b2001 to that list big time, as he was the first one to
rip me off big time. I see he hasn't been back, hopefully 10ft
under and pushing up daisies by now.
ladygolfer31 (16) 17:15:48,
9/02/2002
jjbc
Thankyou have emailed
you
gypsy (243) 17:22:12,
9/02/2002
Usernames aren't enough
if
these dodgy dealers can simply open new accounts, especially
since the \$10 "security tax") is a small price to pay
to rip off \$100's of dollars from buyers and sellers. If these
peoples' real names (and the stories of their exploits) were made
public, however, it might discourage them from repeat
performances. It might also be useful to have an advice page for
traders that have been ripped off (how to use the disputes'
tribunal, fairgo, making a police complaint etc). I have been
ripped off several times, but almost always for amounts too small
to really worry about. Excellent work jjbc. :)
sparhawk (29) 17:35:28,
9/02/2002
You have some good suggestions there
sparhawk
and hopefully in time (whenever I can find
enough of it) :) I will try to add some links or other dispute
resolution tips and advice. Thanks..
jjbc (5) 17:41:13,
9/02/2002
Old favorite
Snakewitch
helen.c (338) 18:48:36,
9/02/2002
Got that....
Thanks Helen.
jjbc (5) 18:57:19,
9/02/2002
Have added a few links as suggested by
Sparhawk
Very basic, but hopefully over time, can
build the site up (and make more easy to navigate etc), add some
basic advice on mediation issues, dispute resolution, alternative
methods and more. Hopefully this as a start will help.
jjbc (5) 19:22:34,
9/02/2002
Well how would you like it
if
you were on this list & you were unaware of this list &
had defaulted on a deal through no fault of your own, 90% of
those on this are defaulter not scammers. If it was me I would be
seeing my lawyer on Monday. I have 1 bad feedback where do you
draw the line.
gamefisher (36) 19:40:56,
9/02/2002
The drawn line........
I
think that in the absence of TM Admin taking measures to protect
us from 'known' dodgy traders, that this is the next best idea
and wholeheartedly support it so long as it continues along the
lines that I understand to be 'monitored' and apply solely to
persistently troublesome or bad traders. Everyone can get a bad
feedback but it takes a bit of an idiot or a bad trader to
collect a few.
helen.c (338) 19:49:07,
9/02/2002
I think it STINKS
With 1
person(with a very big chip on his shoulder) saying who goes on
this list. I dont support it, this message board seems to weed
out trouble makers pretty quick.MTCW
jmma (69) 
20:01:32,
9/02/2002
You seem to have captured the essence
Helen.
Abberations will not get you on the list,
but blatant, excessive, continuous or predominant dodgy dealings
will. Perhaps if you would care to check some of the listings,
you might get a better idea of what defines `dodgy dealers`.
There are no added comments, just each traders record speaking
for themselves.
jjbc (5) 20:05:27,
9/02/2002
Re 16
I have done this as
a response to what seems to be the voice of a number of users on
TradeMe, threads disappearing from the Message Boards, the lack
of shepherding from the (probably stressed and very busy) TradeMe
team, and as a result of my own problems with traders. If you
have a problem with this, you are under no obligation to use the
site.
jjbc (5) 20:12:01,
9/02/2002
The way I see it
is you
had 1 bit of trouble with 1 trader and went overboard about it. I
wont use your site, I use my Judgement.
jmma (69) 20:19:41,
9/02/2002
Each to his own.
We all,
hopefully, use our own judgement & taken in perspective the
page is just another 'check' tool to use or not use as each
person prefers.
helen.c (338) 20:25:29,
9/02/2002
It is more likely scenario
that
TM has checked into the legality of a list like & found out
it wasn’t in their best interest.
gamefisher (36) 20:30:49,
9/02/2002
I am surprised you have a problem
with
the list, as there are no defamotory comments, no individuals are
named, there is no false or misleading information, no derogatory
terms or inferences are made - just a collection of links to user
accounts - in fact, the same freely available information that is
posted on TradeMe. You obviously wouldn`t like BayCorp now would
you??
jjbc (5) 20:47:38,
9/02/2002
So...
are you adding
anyone with 1 Negative at least?
ziggy1she (3) 21:02:02,
9/02/2002
Have a look at;
snakewitch
trader9 amiga happybidder
jjbc (5) 21:24:24,
9/02/2002
Yep they are the bad ones
what
about the 20 with only 1 bad feedback getting pedantic. Even TM
alows 3 bad feedback before considering disableing a member.
gamefisher (36) 21:34:53,
9/02/2002
For someone who only has 4 feedbacks
to
his name, you sure are keen to hunt down and expose these
perpetrators. People whining to this guy Nigel is bad enough, but
a lone renegade starting a 'name and shame' is purely fascistic.
And who goes on the site, people who are too busy trading to hang
out in at this ( increasingly ) inward looking and paranoid user
group. How about everyone who can blacklist jjbc for a laugh, see
if he appears on his own site..if not then the site is biased. (
he'll be trading under an alias anyway...) Peace and
prosperity...over and out.
pauley (3) 21:59:01,
9/02/2002
I would assume you are referring to
the
ones in the negatives ie -1 etc. -1 out of 1, or -1 out of 3
trades is not a very good ratio. These have also been blacklisted
by users. It is entirely these peoples` opportunity to conduct
themselves in a manner that is conducive to the environment of
trust, honesty and integrity that this site needs, to work
properly on. Should they redeem themselves, then they will be
removed from the list.
jjbc (5) 22:00:19,
9/02/2002
And how is the comment...
"and
you obviously wouldn't like baycorp would you"... Who made
you the policeman of this site...if I was trademe, i'd shut you
down quick..or else i'd release the user database to you so you
could harass the "perps" by phone, threat, and or a
'visit'...you bully boy moron.
pauley (3) 22:04:16,
9/02/2002
Re 26
If I was ripping
off, scamming, selling dodgy merchandise, making false claims,
renegging on deals, stuffing people around etc, then my name
probably would be on a list. Fortunately, my dealings through
TradeMe show otherwise...
jjbc (5) 22:05:05,
9/02/2002
Thats it
now you are
sounding like judge, jury etc, go find something else to play
with.
jmma (69) 22:05:10,
9/02/2002
You have been watching too much of Judge
Judy
and are now making yourself as judge &
jury, who elected you into office.
gamefisher (36) 22:08:19,
9/02/2002
All I`m doing is providing
information
(and links to dispute resolution
services) that has been a topic of contention for some time. A
number of users sounded out the idea (and there are already sites
on specific cases or individuals), and I had the ability to
actually put it in place. You mean to say that you don`t want to
see fair dealings on the site, and disputes resolved?
jjbc (5) 22:11:11,
9/02/2002
someone should start an IRC
channel
these web based rooms are tooooo slow
pauley (3) 22:15:06,
9/02/2002
Have no problem
with
wanting a fair site and disputes sorted. My problem is your chip
on your shoulder about 1 bad deal that may or may not sort itself
out and then the way you do this shame list.
jmma (69) 22:21:35,
9/02/2002
Fortunately the situation I was involved
with
was resolved successfully through negotiation.
I don`t know why you seem to think I have a chip on my shoulder -
just because I offered to respond to a need.
jjbc (5) 22:24:30,
9/02/2002
Can you add
gdavies,
1ollie and evo7nz?
nznokia (13) 22:26:46,
9/02/2002
Re 34 - Have you actually read
the
Bad Traders thread in Message Board - TradeMe Help - questions
and answers? I suspect not.
jjbc (5) 22:29:42,
9/02/2002
Well it seems your are out to get all
the bad guys
why not add NZNOKIA then??
jmma (69) 22:31:32,
9/02/2002
Excuse me..
You have added
me to your list and I have a neg feddback Now Remove me from your
list.Who made you judge jury and hangman you do not know the
circumstances of the tradeor what transpired Who gave you the
right to post these names over the nett..NOW REMOVE MY NAME
NOW!!!!
trader9 (-1) 22:35:41,
9/02/2002
Ive done about 400 trades
but
this one trder didn't email me for 5 days, and when I received
the goods he had wrapped it in brown paper...now I know this site
is full of rogues, villains and I will now not trust anyone if
they appear on jjbc's site. Actually please please add me to you
r"site of shame", I hate being left out...better still
lets bring back the death sentence...
pauley (3) 22:38:53,
9/02/2002
400 trades?
under what
name?
karamea (46) 22:39:37,
9/02/2002
Karamea....
humour goes a
long way ;-) but not often in this site (he he)...
pauley (3) 22:45:31,
9/02/2002
Thanks pauley
that about
sums it up, got anymore?(O:
jmma (69) 22:49:33,
9/02/2002
ah yes
i should have
realised you weren't serious :)
karamea (46) 22:51:32,
9/02/2002
re :#24
Happy bidder was
one of the names of the brats that came into TM and did the
million \$ bids. He was disabled and caught. I personally don't
think you have the right to do this either. If it was coming from
a well respected TM user like say puppetman (just for eg) then it
may have had some merit but no offence, what is going to make me
trust you?
scorps (52) 23:13:01,
9/02/2002
I think you are playing hangman!
I
looked at each trader you have on your list and although a few
belong there you have also added traders that have many more good
feedbacks than bad, I feel that is ubfair as nobody really knows
what goes on when that trade becomes final. I also note that you
have added traders that only have 1 bad feedback, some from me
some from others, maybe some of the new traders did not
understand the full auction process. I also feel that we should
make our own descisions and look up traders who are on our own
auctions. Athough a lot is black and white I see a few that are
not. Everyone deserves a fair go. And you are reproducing trade
me feedback, is that legal?
glenda (172) 
23:18:46,
9/02/2002
What criteria or standards are you
working to?
E.g. is it traders with 1 or 2 or 3 bad
feedback’s because that means you have a lot of people to
put on & you can’t pick & choose at a whim & you
can’t leave anyone out. You have a database of nearly
\$70,000 to work through. Then you run the risk that one of those
traders may become irate enough to my come & make a personal
visit. Good luck but I think you need TM to sort out their own
problem & I am sure they are trying to come up with
solutions.
gamefisher (36) 23:24:56,
9/02/2002
A database of
80,645
members
gamefisher (36) 23:34:06,
9/02/2002
jjbc
Are you intending the
page to be a definitive, 'be all and end all' list of bad
traders, or just a useful guide to traders who want information
about the people they are posting their money/goods to? If the
latter, good on you.
thomas (10) 23:42:12,
9/02/2002
but then again jjbc
if
this is a very well done joke to bring out the rednecks in all of
us, backed up with a website and feedback, then you are a 100%
trusted trader... or are you...justin
pauley (3) 23:47:52,
9/02/2002
As seen as you are...
putting
people with ONE negative then why dont you add Wilson_m to the
list? Check out his feedback.
ziggy1she (3) 23:58:56,
9/02/2002
re # 32
JJ?? the
information about all of these traders is readily available in
member profiles on TM site for anyone to see. Personally I think
that you have taken on a job far bigger than you can possibly do
fairly and correctly. It would not surprise me that TM disables
your account not to mention suing you for copyright infringement.
I hate to say it but if you are so sadly lacking in something to
do why not 'go forth and multiply'
invizibull (72) 00:06:05,
10/02/2002
jjbc why have to decided to do this
list
As I cannot find your bad feedback on any
trader in this list. Of your first posting on that list on the
8th of Feb you put 29 member on & one trader has put bad
feedback on 13 of them, now I would find it more understandable
if he put up this list, but would still think it is wrong to do
so. Your criteria seems to be any trader that has 1 bad feedback
& no good ones, but how are you to know that those traders
have done good trades & received no good feedback. Yes I have
no doubt you have your supporters (loading the bullets) but if
things turn sour it will be you people will turn against (holding
the smoking gun). For you to be doing this & not having any
trading with people on this list, you are doing what is termed
“stalking & harassing” members. Yes I would like to
see something done to stop those that are deliberately defrauding
& scamming traders, but I think this matter is far too
complex for you to be doing it & quite frankly I think you
are biting off more than you can chew.
gamefisher (36) 08:10:05,
10/02/2002
I hope to have a Hall of Fame
page
up and running at some stage soon. I wish to thank everyone for
their input, views and ideas. I`ll keep you posted :)
jjbc (5) 09:07:02,
10/02/2002
Another one to add.
Add
lewisdewis to that list. The guy is a timewasting idiot. I don't
see what all the fuss is about people saying that listing the bad
traders is a bad thing. I'd sure as hell be checking that list
every so often.
argordon (34) 09:12:31,
10/02/2002
JMMA
I am not a bad
person, i suggested the above 3 names because they are bad
traders, just look at most of thier feedback, they have been
disabled before for their amounts of bad feedback, and so on, i
am not here to start fights unlike you seem to be picking fights
with me all he time, maybe you should be added to the list.
nznokia (13) 09:27:13,
10/02/2002
And I think helen.c will be the first
on
the Hall of Fame page :)
jjbc (5) 09:37:01,
10/02/2002
Sits here
watching the
public lynching mob pass by. Damn thats what this seems like to
me. After all isn't a traders bad feedback enough to show that
they are not good traders?????
nardz (12) 09:43:38,
10/02/2002
JJBC...
are you going to
add those people as we have said?
ziggy1she (3) 10:08:55,
10/02/2002
nznokia
people in glass
houses shouldn't throw stones, so you have never had another user
name that has been disabled??? Just making a point on how hard it
can be to put the right people on that list (O:
jmma (69) 10:27:18,
10/02/2002
I am surprised about the number
of
unhappy people that are worried about being "lynched"
on the Hall of Shame. Firstly, all the "feedbacks" on
the site are opinions (if not, they should be expressed as such
and should allow a right of reply to overcome unlikely "legal"
worries). Secondly, Trademe has failed to remove troublesome
repeat offenders (and in some cases have covered up their
misdeeds by removing warnings on the messageboard and elsewhere)
and fraud has not decresed under the new "beefed up security
changes" - heck, they seem to barely keep this site running
reliably as it is - it's too much to ask. Thirdly, it is a free
service that could save you hundreds of dollars (as a thread
regarding Justan aka Hayben aka Kapiti Computers aka Capital PCs
aka nz2001nz shows). I'd say it's a damn fine idea, definitely
Kiwi ingenuity at work, and I wish jjbc well.
sparhawk (29) 10:27:58,
10/02/2002
Incredible..
Well I'm with
gamefisher on this one..This self righteous person is NOT even
authenticated and has 4 trades..and only a new member...this
reminds me of the westerns lynching mobs who hang the poor
innocent guy and then....oooppps we didnt know the whole story or
circumstances..He has No criteria to work with and simply uses
Numbers as his basis of placeing people on the list..there are
some 80000 users on the site and he has singled out just a
few..Not good..yes i think some are bad traders as a site like
this will attract some rouges looking for easy marks..but where
is it that you take it upon yourself to be so self righteous and
list only a few when you dont have the database to work with..Who
made you the sole judge and jury..
fisher (71) 11:08:22,
10/02/2002
ahhhh always so much drama!!
I
think jjbc means well, and is only trying to help! so dont be so
hard on him, but also i think its not his place to make a list
like that, thats trademe's job if they want that..no need for all
the drama and crying tho, he was only trying to help...my \$0.02
;)
ibanez_shredda (6) 
11:13:19,
10/02/2002
cont..
a lot of bad
feedback was placed prior to the advent of the new system where
it is NOW transaction related..a lot of malicious uncalled for
feedback was posted and I suppose none of this has been taken
into account..of course not..:} hes a numbers boy..and only new
to the site..he wouldn't know this..Unless you know the
circumstances of EACH and every transaction, you are in no
position to judge..God help anyone getting a bad feedback from
now on thru no fault of their own and by a trader who see it
different to yourself or by circumstances out of their
control..NOPE ADD EM TO THE LIST...BAD BAD PERSON...I think you
need to do some more bible studies...
fisher (71) 11:18:51,
10/02/2002
It just doesn't sit right with me...
I'm
with pauley in the sence that I think theres another motive for
this site. Not nessarily (sp?) what he thinks but somethings
going on. Time will tell huh.
scorps (52) 11:26:49,
10/02/2002
scorps
Yes ...I had
thoughts of my own scorps...maybe a pay to view the site
scheme..Would you sit there and look thru 80000 odd members and
judge them good or bad (you have to be fair to everyone dont you?
}and place them on the list ..how are people removed from the
list? or are they simply there for "life"... Joseph
these are questions you need to answer and I think you need to
place your full name address phone number and email addy for
people to have the right of reply and defend themselves...maybe
you will just sit behind your keyboard and bible and hide...whats
it to be?
fisher (71) 11:46:25,
10/02/2002
...
So far I've only had a
look at the record of one trader on that list (evo7nz) who has 1
good feedback, 1 neutral, and a trademe suport one. Seems you're
going to have a pretty long list if you put on everyone who has
feedback that resembles this
kingpin (55) 12:25:15,
10/02/2002
I would suggest you carefully read
what
has been posted on this thread. The answers to your questions
have already been stated, and while you`re at it, read the Bad
Traders thread under TradeMe Help - questions and answers. As for
the TradeMe Hall of Fame, I hope to have something up and running
later on today.
jjbc (5) 12:25:59,
10/02/2002
..
This is ridiculous.
I've just clicked on 2 more trader names on the list. Both of
them have only 1 bad feedback
kingpin (55) 12:28:46,
10/02/2002
I Withdraw
I am
withdrawing the support I showed futher up this thread. I sorta
liked the concept, it seemeed okay till I looked closer,
something I regret not having done before I opened my mouth in
support. There are traders on there with ONE bad feedback, and
others with 3 from the same person about the same deal, which to
my mind is only ONE bad feedback. A lot of the neg feedback was
gained in the days when someone who was pissed off with you could
haunt you unfairly. A closer look at a couple of the bad
feedbacks and you will find that they in turn are from people who
also have Growly faces. Kinda sends the credibility down the
tubes. So, my humble hat is on, I bow to those that saw this
before me.
helen.c (338) 12:33:45,
10/02/2002
You don’t have the right to be
judge and jury
I have to agree with fisher on this
one, How can someone with only 4 feedbacks and not even
authenticated be judge and jury of this site, how many of the
members on your site do you actually know the full story, and not
just what other traders have said. When I first started on trade
me my very first feedback was bad, why because my computer
crashed and I was unable to email my buyer once up and running it
was removed and I was given good feedback because she understood
what had happened. But under your judge and jury system I would
have been placed on your site for 1 Negative feedback. You really
have no right to start up a site when you don’t know the
reasons behind the negative feedback.
vamp_slayer (42) 12:41:37,
10/02/2002
Jjbc's site is still a baby
and
still evolving for that matter. Instead of being all negative,
why not give him constructive feedback to make it better? A
simple right of reply would solve practically all the concerns
registered thus far.
sparhawk (29) 13:10:02,
10/02/2002
Will
I feel Trademe need a
rocket up there backside. They need to clean this site up
forthwith and learn to reply to complaints filed through their
much touted and spouted complaints feature that Nigel spends so
much time mouthing off on the messageboard about. Only seems when
he is stuck for a reply! But hell they cannot even be bothered to
reply typical of the arrogance I have found shown by Nigel in the
past. However this doesnt call for a links site that lynches
people for one bad deal. Although when TM find it in their
questionable wisdom to re-instate a waste of space trader such as
"snakewitch" along with the arrogance of the way they
deal with the better traders that make this site what it is, you
really have to wonder about the foundation base of TM. Why trust
someone who continually allows and in certain circumstances aids
& abets these scum to rip people off.
vfr (32) 13:46:02,
10/02/2002
To all those who have a problem with
this...
Get real! You each have a publicly
accessible trustweb page listing trusted users and blacklisted
users. As a (currently) authenticated user (just no star, yet),
the TrustWeb feature is not available for me. If I am accepting
suggestions on forming a trustweb, then perhaps other users may
find this useful - I just have to run it on my own site, rather
than TradeMe`s. Absolutely no difference!
jjbc (5) 13:52:24,
10/02/2002
I take it
that you have
full written permission from the people whos profiles etc are
listed on your site to do so.
marton (3) 13:52:31,
10/02/2002
#75 He needs no such permission
since
this is in the public domain. The bad feedback that fraudsters
and "auction" defaulters have earned under the
anonymity of a trademe username is also a matter of public
interest. Are the bad traders currently ranked (from most
shameful to least)? If only we could trust Trademe to do this
kind of thing for themselves!
sparhawk (29) 13:58:44,
10/02/2002
Are you sure sparhawk?
Thats
cool, so I can just cut and paste company web pages to my site?
pauley (3) 14:22:51,
10/02/2002
To those who object
to
their name and details etc been listed on another website which
in reality has nothing to do with trademe. You can complain and
have the site removed at
http://www.freeservers.com/cgi-bin/feedback?option=report_a_violation
marton (3) 14:28:11,
10/02/2002
You object to a series of links???
Just
as well you haven`t checked out a few other sites....
jjbc (5) 14:33:56,
10/02/2002
#77 he has not just copied
and
pasted (did you check the source code?) #78, he has not violated
any of the terms and conditions of Freeservers, and his site has
EVERYTHING to do with Trademe. What agenda are you pursuing
Marton? If this were a professionally run service, I would
probably subscribe to it.
sparhawk (29) 14:37:24,
10/02/2002
As it seems that you are the self
appointed
"name and shame" merchant of
traders with negative feedback how about some honest details
about yourself. ie why would a trader with such a short track
record on trademe be so fervent about such a task? Who do you
trade as and what is your relationship with trademe? Surely a
site detailing the cheats and scams (which aren't always obvious
from fedback) would be better than just (re)listing what is
already here.
pauley (3) 15:17:55,
10/02/2002
whether............
Whether
you like the idea or hate it, if the motive is good then dont
knock it so hard. We are all fighting a common enemy here so
constructive rather than destructive should be where we are
headed. Also, for what its worth I think VFR makes some valid
points. TM mare not really answerable to us but I do think some
loyalty is in order as well as looking after their bread and
butter (us). & Nigel if you are reading this, as I suspect
you are, please consider that the majority of us are trying to
cover our backsides and a little help from you would be to your
benefit also. My 2cw.
helen.c (338) 15:18:27,
10/02/2002
#74 Answers needed
Well
are you going to post your name address and phone number with
email address..are you going to specifically answer the questions
that have been raised..ill ask them again..(1) what criteria do
you use to place people on this list..(2)how do people get
removed from the list..? (3)Is this site to remain
permanently..?(4) how old are you and what qualifications do you
have for making these judgements..?(5)Once you become
authenticated..will all these traders appear on your blacklist..?
(6) do you intend to use this list/site commercially..? These
questions need to be answered in this thread in your NEXT
post..Please reply to them directly and not say they have been
answered..State your intentions here..let us judge YOU..
fisher (71) 15:23:10,
10/02/2002
Ive got it...
sparhawk and
jjbc are one and the same...messages in other threads are just
too similar and all the links from the shame page are to
sparhawks pet hobbies..disputes tribunal, fair go etc... Now you
have been found to be violating trademes terms and conditions
please add both of yourselves to the shame page.
pauley (3) 15:26:25,
10/02/2002
Sorry #84
but I suggested
the links to jjbc in this thread (read above). #83, I don't think
jjbc should post his address and phone number to avoid unhappy
fraudsters who are worrying about their livelihood ringing him up
at 1am, but an email address is needed so the "accused"
can post a right of reply. Pauley, why don't you try earning some
feedback by buying and selling, or maybe you've had your account
disabled before? If so, why?
sparhawk (29) 15:35:48,
10/02/2002
Going by the logic expressed in this
thread
people are saying that anyone can make a
list of people who they think are bad long as it is public
knowledge, pick & chose who they wish to put on that list &
post it on a web site with no mandate from any legal
organizational body. If this is so why is it I can find no list
of people convicted through our legal system of far more serious
crimes than these traders have done. I am sure our newspaper
would like to publish list like this you need to ask yourself
what is constraining them.
gamefisher (36) 15:39:49,
10/02/2002
I had a look at that
list,
some traders have one bad feedback and in some cases there is a
good explanation. The fundamental idea is sound but this list
seems a bit extreme.
billdunit77 (1) 15:44:11,
10/02/2002
Ahhh, once again my theory is
proved
Once a thread contains more than about 70
messages it reverts to a big bitchy mess...
pauley (3) 15:46:47,
10/02/2002
Pauley
I agree with you
there, its becomming a little bit messy now...ive been watching
this thread intently
nz2001nz (43) 15:59:35,
10/02/2002
Re Hall of Shame.
How do I
get somebody added to this list what is the criteria for getting
somebody added etc.? Thanks.
pow (97) 15:59:35,
10/02/2002
Pauley
Thats a profound
statement from someone who recently joined TM. Or were you here
before in another guise?
helen.c (338) 15:59:58,
10/02/2002
TradeMe Hall of Fame
A
very basic start has been made you can view it now at
http://creation.faithweb.com/trustweb.html
jjbc (5) 16:01:52,
10/02/2002
Re 90
At the rate you`re
going, you`re only going to make it on the Hall of Fame.. :)
jjbc (5) 16:03:32,
10/02/2002
Re 86 - gamefisher
Well
you`d better not tell anyone about your Trustweb at
http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/view_member_trust_reln.asp?member_id=24106
jjbc (5) 16:09:39,
10/02/2002
Is that your style jjbc
I
think you should rethink this idea!!!
jmma (69) 16:13:59,
10/02/2002
Great stuff
lets see
Trademe try to censor and coverup the shonky traders this time
(looks very sternly at nz2001nz - how's the compensating going by
the way Hayden?) Honestly, I don't know why people are so
concerned at this point. After all, if you have no bad feedback,
you have nothing to worry about. Even if you do, you'll probably
end up with a right of reply. Of course, jjbc will be very busy
updating the site, which is why he probably needs to set up a
database and php server to automate the process. You could
feasibly rate from most fameful to most shameful given the right
criteria.
sparhawk (29) 16:14:51,
10/02/2002
Gamefisher, why is it
that
you suddenly removed Baz_mc from your blacklist???
jjbc (5) 16:23:04,
10/02/2002
Re 93 What the hell do you mean
What
the hell do you mean I only asked how to get somebody placed onto
the dam list.. Forget it I will deal with this my way thank you
very much for somebody that is not authenticated anyway to play
god the way you are you need for these people to start suing your
arse for slander. And defimation .
pow (97) 16:25:02,
10/02/2002
That was *Fame* not Shame...
:)
jjbc (5) 16:26:30,
10/02/2002
What are you talking about
?
gamefisher (36) 16:26:38,
10/02/2002
Re 96 Sparhawk
This would
definitely have to be a project taken on by TradeMe, as it would
be very difficult to provide live data, without it being
incorporated into the database. It would be nice if they could
report a percentage scale ie +100% through to -100%, based on the
following calculation; Good Feedback divided by Total Feedback.
It would be nice if they could implement something like this...
:)
jjbc (5) 16:36:00,
10/02/2002
JJbc, you are spiralling into gibberish
my boy...
And going on your responses which are of
the "he can't play with me..." type, you seem a tad
immature to be messin' with such a controversial project. Once
again, what are you doing that is so different to the feedback
and trustweb info available already?
pauley (3) 16:46:08,
10/02/2002
In Reality
This is an
exercise in futility.As soon as people stop posting to this
thread it will soon fall off.There will be no url for people to
have access to and everyone will revert back to the feedback
system that trademe already has in place.All this site does is
link to feedback that is already on the trademe databaseand
freely availiable and certainly easier to access.Just a storm in
a teacup.
bazmc (3) 16:58:04,
10/02/2002
Re #101, easier than you think
since
each member is assigned a number, it would be easy to use a
spider to pick up the information to put in your own database.
There are a number of open source php scripts you could modify to
automate most of your site. Maybe you could finance it via
donations and perfect it with volunteer help? But how will you
stop the very worst offenders that just move onto a new username
and in their minds, a "clean slate"?And yes, it's a
shame trademe couldn't do this themselves.
sparhawk (29) 17:22:47,
10/02/2002
well...
the guy I asked to
have put on there has only one bad feedback and that was from me,
and he hasn't returned to TRADEME or my emails requesting my
money back. He has also done no more listings, so he can go on as
far as I am concerned. I am behind JJBC
ladygolfer31 (16) 17:50:48,
10/02/2002
Geeesh ..Ladygolfer
Look
how many defaults YOU have.....i dont believe your audacity..to
have a person with one bad feedback put on this bogus list....I
reckon you are VERY close to being removed from
trademe...IMHO..Best you look in the mirror with your own
problems ..lest you cast aspertions...
fisher (71) 17:55:58,
10/02/2002
re105 ???
What are you
talking about? You have 3-4 defaults against you, ignoring email
requests etc...Or is this acceptable to jjbc?
pauley (3) 18:03:41,
10/02/2002
hey jjbc
add ladygolfer31
to the list ..i have blacklisted her...She doesnt answer
emails..fails to complete auctions...fails to pay her
monies...after bidding...
fisher (71) 18:13:07,
10/02/2002
fisher has raised a good point
I
thought of last night why don't trader blacklist those they don't
want to trade with who have bad feedback.
gamefisher (36) 18:20:57,
10/02/2002
Well...........
If you are
going to put people on this for 1 bad feedback you will have
SOOOOOO many there and why arnt the people making comments on
this thread with 1 or more bad feedbacks up there?????, WHY do
you get to decide?.......
jaredm (14) 18:26:33,
10/02/2002
# 83
Still waiting for
answers to post number 83..anyone else want him to answer these
questions??
fisher (71) 18:54:05,
10/02/2002
Maybe
T/M needs to make
the whole site autho only traders and start with this notice
board.
pow (97) 19:04:43,
10/02/2002
Thanks fisher....
I got a
few good tips for the site from your Trustweb at
http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/view_member_trust_reln.asp?member_id=632
jjbc (5) 19:11:20,
10/02/2002
re ladygolfer
From my
understanding she has had major problems with her computer
lately.She has made two postings on the message bd in an attempt
to rectify any problems she has with trades she has made.There
are times when people experience problems beyond their
control,whether they be personal or computer related
problems.Genuine attempts to rectify problems are sometimes
thwarted by the lack of understanding/communication or impatience
by the other party.
bazmc (3) 19:31:33,
10/02/2002
jjbc
I think most people
are missing the point...its NOT about the web site you have set
up..its about the rights of people to make up their own minds who
they wish to deal with...Having said that, most traders on
trademe can make up their own minds and make their own
mistakes...but you have 'SINGLED' out a few and I can see no
criteria that you add people to this list...or how you JUDGE
people..without any facts...You are simply a GUTLESS WONDER..you
dont affect me because im not on your stupid list..and most would
say because you GUESS at judgement ..that you are simply a
JOKE...I think you are...BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN.. dont think
so...Chip on shoulder..and get ya rocks of from being centre of
attention...YES..!!Answer the questions ya gutless wonder...
fisher (71) 19:46:41,
10/02/2002
Well well fisher
I am
surprised that you resort to abuse of other traders, just because
someone else doesn`t share your point of view....
jjbc (5) 19:49:09,
10/02/2002
bazmc
Yes ..you prove my
point..Some people on trademe are not so under standing with such
problems...and post bad feedback ..when in fact there are
extenuating circumstances..Thats exactly what im getting at..it
doesnt make them a bad trader just unfortunate..but this guy just
ADDS the numbers to the list...and being new he has no concept of
what tranpired when only until just recently ..feedback could be
posted on ANYONE at anytime for any reason...that history is
still in place and part of his criteria to add ppl to this
list..Ive had my say..as you said in a previous post...leave him
alone and he'll go away into oblivion...
fisher (71) 19:52:55,
10/02/2002
Fisher
Could you please
explain then, why YOU have blacklisted LadyGolfer31 based on your
comments above??
jjbc (5) 19:57:29,
10/02/2002
lol...
Oh im making a
point..I have never spoken to ladygolfer31..never traded with
ladygolfer31..I dont have her email address and quite frankly
dont know her AT ALL..I was waiting for YOU to question me and of
course the fishing is good lol:}}
fisher (71) 20:13:04,
10/02/2002
jjbc
Dont you think its a
good idea to REMOVE your crappy "backlisting" or
whatever you call it site? i dont see that it will do people any
good and why wouldnt they just look at the traders
backlistings/feedback before trading anyway? theres no point in
making such a non-sense site, take it down.
nznokia (13) 20:13:14,
10/02/2002
nznokia
changed your tune
from last night, scared someone might find out something,
joshwrx?? ((O:
jmma (69) 20:46:53,
10/02/2002
And Joshsti
and many
more.....
kev (12) 20:57:08,
10/02/2002
I feel rather shamed myself
maybe
my name should go up, as I feel terrible removing a auction for
Thomas the Tank video, for a certain reason, though I hope some
kid or kids, didn't have their heart set on it. That would be
real sad. Seriously though, I think this is a good placement on
trademe message board, as I visited site to view info earlier
today. Very Impressed!! Well Done. Dave.
chessmaster (101) 21:10:28,
10/02/2002
well
this has made
interesting reading wile the dinner cooks lol. jjbc, u obviously
arn't who you are pretending to be, you've not answered any
questions that have been raised in the past gawd 50 or so posts,
I'd love to know what your motives are in doing this whole lot of
b/s but i suspect I'll never get a confirmed answer so I shall
just have to trust my judgement and add you to my blacklist. Your
the 1st one there so I hope you don't get too lonley :O)
scorps (52) 21:13:45,
10/02/2002
there y ou
go again
nznokia. Schizophrenia has got a real hold on you.
invizibull (72) 21:21:19,
10/02/2002
re:hall of fame
I admit I
went to check it out. I would like to know why I am on there yet
there are sooooooooo many more deserving than me. Is it to try
and make me change my opinion of you? Am i spose to say..."oh
yeah he's so kewl now he's added me!" What about gypsy, 227
+ feedbacks (318 in full total) and no-one has blacklisted her.
Or Michellew2k with 66 pos feedbacks and only 2 - those from the
same trader who I would judge from the outside looking in as
being in the wrong. What about Sselkirks with 46 + who until
yesterday had more than me, no -'s. My guess is because I open my
mouth in the threads more than these ppl (well cept maybe Gypsy
lol j/k)
scorps (52) 21:50:15,
10/02/2002
I don`t hold grudges, but...
your
record speaks for itself - perfect.
jjbc (5) 22:04:34,
10/02/2002
This is getting funnier by the
minute
traders that have blacklisted jjbc are on
the fame list.This is totaly nuts.
gamefisher (36) 22:06:01,
10/02/2002
The funny thing is that if people
are
misusing the TM blacklisting feature, jjbc's
list becomes more and more accurate. Since his entire site is
based on nominations by other traders and peer review (via this
thread etc), it may ultimately become more accurate as more
people are added, but how will they be ranked? But some people
seem to be TOO worried about the list. Take Fisher for instance -
1 bad feedback, his buyer had to pay \$100 to fix the rod which he
misdescribed. Fisher's response to the feedback says he offered a
refund (which by all accounts would give Fisher a repaired rod
and leave the buyer \$100 out of pocket). I wonder why the buyer
didn't accept? But in any event, I look forward to future
developments, since the site will promote honest trading, expose
really nasty "traders", help prevent fraudulent deals,
and encourage trademe to "beef up" security.
sparhawk (29) 23:18:04,
10/02/2002
jjbc. Why are you doing this?
Have
you been badly ripped off, or is it just a personality disorder?
pauley (3) 08:05:30,
11/02/2002
Just a quick question....
Based
on the premise that one negative feedback can earn your ass a
stay at the shame hotel, arent you going to be pretty darn busy
adding all the traders with a single good feedback to the fame
hotel? We're after consistency! Just mctw
amigo_nz (36) 08:18:57,
11/02/2002
so if one
good feedback
can get you added to the hall of fame maybe you should add us as
well lol
nijo (61) 08:55:14,
11/02/2002
hey nijo
You're famous
now... in the hall of Fame. good on ya's... but I've got more
feedback where am I? huh? hehehe. To be honest I really dont like
this idea. We have trustwebs and feedback and we warn each other
on the Messageboards here - as much as i like the idea in theory,
somehow it's just not right. And where are the answers to all
those questions jj?
embob (69) 09:56:09,
11/02/2002
bad idea
It won't work
like you think it will. I say let people judge for themselves
based on feedback - so post relevant feedback people, not web
pages.
loonee-dial-111 (29) 10:16:42,
11/02/2002
changing the subject
it's
my birthday tomorrow.
marilynmonroe (74) 11:07:55,
11/02/2002
Happy b'day marilyn!!!
yayayaa!!
changing the subject again lol,... I
think jjbc meant well to begin with!..... but now its gotten a
little carried away, i think its for the trademe admin to decide
how they run their site, no-one else,the trustweb and feedback
system seems to do fine,so no more crying about this, its not
such a big deal...,maybe a warning sign on trademes front page
might be a better way to kick bad traders ass,something like "any
abuse of trademe will result in your ISP addy being traced,and
reported ¿ "lol something like that..i dunno¿
\$0.02;)
ibanez_shredda (6) 11:18:05,
11/02/2002
i just looked at
nz2001nz
and they have all these good feedbacks and apparently 2 yucky
ones.I could only see one.I might add if some one had given me a
bad feedback for what ever reason and my lovely name was posted
up there well I would be totally brassed off and would be
contacting Nigelstraight away.I dont think you have the right to
do this .Does trademe administration know about this???
marilynmonroe (74) 11:35:00,
11/02/2002
happy birthday
marilynmonroe
i wont sing to you like you did to me because i cant sing lol
nijo (61) 11:48:41,
11/02/2002
oh and em
your on there
now as well, so your famous like us lol. Gotta go get ready to
get big holes drilled in my teeth at the dentists now lol
nijo (61) 11:52:17,
11/02/2002
Well, i just went and had a look
Im
second from the top on the shame list thing...wheres the
justice..surley there are worse traders out there than i...who
knows.
nz2001nz (43) 12:02:50,
11/02/2002
almost
brings a new
meaning to shamed out doesn't it??
nijo (61) 12:07:01,
11/02/2002
It does
How long before
all 60,000 members blacklist me i wonder
nz2001nz (43) 12:54:50,
11/02/2002
hey Hayden
nz2001nz I
won't if you buy something off me.hehehe.Black mail.
marilynmonroe (74) 13:44:16,
11/02/2002
That sux
I'm not on either
list. I'm feeling abit left out. By the way I love this thread,
it has made for interesting reading, especially late at night
when you just can't be bothered going to bed.
mariaorr (49) 13:51:42,
11/02/2002
Hehehehehehe
That was
Nigel when he was reading this thread(O:
jmma (69) 14:27:22,
11/02/2002
YIPPEE
im on the hall of
frame to, woo woo ( dancing round the room) Ive never been on the
hall of anything before, Im so excited. Half the people I was
gonna nominate are already there. Oh sigh. So how about my
daughter tiger24 she has more feedback than me even, or gypsy,
karen hickman, 007 family to name a few. Ta much for that.
lyndav (62) 15:21:35,
11/02/2002
Well
I would :) but theres
not alot there i could use, i dont like to cross dress much these
days :)
nz2001nz (43) 16:08:12,
11/02/2002
who...
the heck is fisher
to say that he will blacklist me, I have bought nothing off him.
I have only missed around 3 auctions in non payment and have
explained every one of them to those concerned.
ladygolfer31 (16) 16:25:54,
11/02/2002
the reason...
why I have
added old_d_b2001 to the list is cos he up and ripped me off on a
DVD, never returned my emails, bank don't even know him, and he
hasn't been back auctioning things. Sounds like a rip off con man
to me.
ladygolfer31 (16) 16:29:37,
11/02/2002
just watching
but it seems
that people with only one badfeed back are geting put on this
list notice I only said seems because I'm not about to visit this
site but having looked at ladygolfer31s feedback for example does
she not deserve to be on your list as she has 2 badfeedback.
Sorry ladygolfer but I'm only using you as an example not a
personal dig.
nardz (12) 16:39:26,
11/02/2002
At least ladygolfer
gets a
chance to explain herself!!
jmma (69) 16:41:32,
11/02/2002
thanks
nardz, I am trying
my best in my circumstances, it is damn hard when my computer has
been in the shop now for 4 weeks, and due to a firm in England
who have to pay for it, being slow. Now that I have a job, will
be able to pay at the right time etc... I can always be contacted
via the phone if people want my phone number.
ladygolfer31 (16) 16:42:08,
11/02/2002
Why not just ...
go to a
friends house and use theirs? Uhhh my pc is bust is only an
excuse for 24 hours max...Try my car broke down on the way to the
bank...lady golfer you obviously don't understand the concept of
this site..when you win an auction you are obligated to complete
the trade. Yuo cannot just decide not to buy after winning...that
is a total dick around for the seller!!!
pauley (3) 17:09:36,
11/02/2002
ladygolfer31
read post
#119 ..
fisher (71) 17:09:38,
11/02/2002
Scorps
Hi mate, I did not
know about a hall of fame and i apoligise to you if it upsets you
if i am on there.I thought you were getting a dig at me and still
have not looked at it but will check it out later :)) No hard
feelings,you are an excellent trader mate.
gypsy (243) 17:44:59,
11/02/2002
Lmao
NOOOOOOOOO U read
that wrong mate! (well actually I'm guessing by some posts in
another thread that some of your friends read that wrong) What I
was saying is that "how come I am on that list when some
like you who has a great feedback record and who no-one has
blacklisted ISN'T on that list. (well maybe you are now I don't
know I haven't been back to look but you wern't when I posted
that) so I was basically just saying to jjbc how come I get the
privledge when you don't when you obvioulsy have a better
feedback count and have been a member longer. And as for the
comment made about him probley just doing it because I open my
mouth on the boards more the saying except maybe than you was
just a joke mate. I didn't think you'd take it personally, We're
opinionated woman and more power to us i say! LOL. Hope that
clarifies it for ya and BTW...I think your a great trader too
which is y I used u as an example :O)
scorps (52) 18:34:42,
11/02/2002
scorps
oh ok now i read
clearly ( with ma glasses...lol) So i am not and you are.What
about others then like you are saying,this will (not with you)
stirr up a hornets nest wont it??? Thanks scorps for responding
to me and yes jo must have misread as well .I hope that you read
this one Jo...:))
gypsy (243) 19:41:13,
11/02/2002
Hey scorps
Where is this
Hall of Fame at please? Cheers.
gypsy (243) 19:44:15,
11/02/2002
Links on post # 92 mate
And
yup your right it will stir up alot of ppl. I still fail to see
how jjbc has 'judged' me more trustworthy than someone like you
with a zillion good feebacks lol. I think his theroy is you can
only be on HIS hall of fame if you have no negative feedbacks but
I've looked at your bad feedbacks and from the outside looking in
I wouldn't judge you to be in the wrong at all. so why arn't you
on his site? Because he's just shit stirring is my guess and
trying to cause trouble between members. He knows this is going
to niggle at ppl and that is my guess as to why he's bothered
doing these sites. sad aye lol.
scorps (52) 20:05:32,
11/02/2002
well Pauley...
I do go to
my boyfriend's house to use his one, but you see, mine has been
in the shop now for over 4 damn weeks, and he is not exactly a
happy chappy sometimes if I bug him too much to use his computer.
Since my computer is under a 2 year warranty a firm in England
are paying for it. They are the problem. I do pay for most of my
things I buy except when people don't understand or care to.
ladygolfer31 (16) 20:08:29,
11/02/2002
Scorps
Hi ya mate :)) Yeah
had a look and you are correct.I am not worried that i am not on
there,and if it is because i have a few wee badfeedbacks from
like 1 yr ago well then maybe he does have a prob.I see people
like Gray from NZ Trade that are not even on that list and
michellew2k and lots of them..(to mention ones in ma head at mo)
..cliftonhill,pdrs, ohhh heaps,what the heck is he playing at.I
have emailed this guy and asked why so would like to know his
response to it.I still trade with all traders and give everyone a
second chance...c u online laters :)
gypsy (243) 20:09:33,
11/02/2002
by the way...
when someone
writes to you 2 days after their auction has finished and accuses
you to taking your time and that it has gone on long enough, I
tell them to take a hike. Shit New Years Eve closed and I could
have been on holiday away from a computer. Give me a break, that
is a stupid thing to say.
ladygolfer31 (16) 20:10:21,
11/02/2002
ladygolfer31
I we have
traded and you were A! on my books..have to do you feedback yet
though but you were prompt and reliable.
gypsy (243) 20:17:47,
11/02/2002
It looks like
alot more
traders have been added to the hall of fame, including me
(yippee) lol. And Gypsy and Tiger24. So it looks like the creater
is reading this thread and trying to keep everyone happy. Just
doesn't look like he's replying to the thread anymore.
mariaorr (49) 23:10:44,
11/02/2002
Really
I was actually
added...oh ma god...lol No i notice that i have not heard from
him via email nor on this thread...must bo overloaded with
work...lmao
gypsy (243) 02:07:38,
12/02/2002
jjbc
What is your
intention /your goal/ your motive.You have lost the plot.If you
continue in the same vein that you are at the moment you will
have to provide links on your site to every single member of
trademe.Answer the questions that have been posed to you or I
will ensure your site is pulled.Your initial intentions may well
have been good but your rational/ justiforcation and criteria is
sadly lacking.What usefull purpose does your site serve.You are
simply providing links back to the trademe database.I am
surprised that more have not blacklisted you. You are not
providing a service.You are quickly making yourself look a fool
and stirring up unnesecary debate.
bazmc (3) 02:29:26,
12/02/2002
and
Your blacklist isnt
looking too sweet either so maybe its time you either pulled your
head in or re evaluated your intentions.
bazmc (3) 02:37:08,
12/02/2002
thanks gypsy...
normally I
am up to date with my auctions and payments to people, just a few
I have let down, trying to get back up again, but my apologies
for the hurt or misunderstanding I have caused anyone, I did not
mean to.
ladygolfer31 (16) 08:25:36,
12/02/2002
This was the point
I was
trying to get at in my earlier post. Because of circumstances
beyond a traders control they can get bad feedback placed against
them which in turn can lead to ending up on this hall of shame.
Gonna use ladygolfer as an example again, she has puter probs,
gets a couple of badfeedback and shucks could end up on this site
with a bad name. Not everyone knows the reasons behind people
getting badfeedback for and who is jjbc to judge these people
without knowing all the details. I bet he hasn't done his
research and found out everything thing that occured to end up
with a badfeedback.
nardz (12) 10:04:40,
12/02/2002
and also
ladygolfer you
shouldn't have to explain your reasons to anyone but the traders
you are dealing with at the moment.
nardz (12) 10:06:51,
12/02/2002
re:ladygolfer?
I don't
understand..youve got 3 negatives where you won the auction and
didn't complete. Obviously the seller wasn't happy with your
explanation as the feedback wouldn't have been posted. So what if
'most ' of the time you complete the trade. There have been 3
instances where you bid and won an auction and then failed to
complete. Thats black and white. The point is you think it is
acceptable to do so. If this was the case then trying to sell on
this site would become a farce.
pauley (3) 10:24:44,
12/02/2002
and hall of shame cont..
If
jjbc wants to this then let him. Most of the 70,000+ members
won't know of its existence unless they read this thread or if
trade me provides a link to his site. He can include it in his
listings desciption, but all that will show that is relevant to
the buyer is that he is not on his own shame list...big deal.
Maybe he's angling for a job as a dba at trade me..who
knows...the kids obviously lost!
pauley (3) 10:29:56,
12/02/2002
Opinions
Why set the entry
level so low for the hall of shame yet loads higher for the hall
of fame? My partner has one bad feedback from her very first deal
using TM through no fault of hers.The trader involved sent her a
vapourizer which was paid for very promptly etc.However when the
vapourizer arrived I was disgusted to see that it was filthy with
mold and hadnt been cleaned prior to shipping.Anyway by your
standards she would probably make your hallf of shame even though
she has 59 positive feedbacks after this.She doesnt eevn deserve
the one sad face she has as she simply gave the other trader
appropriate feedback on the condition the vapourizer arrived to
us in.
vfr (32) 10:44:23,
12/02/2002
further
I think it is time
you re-think this whole site of yours jjbc.But as was pointed out
above the hits on your site will soon dwindle into oblivion as
soon as this thread does.I dont condone your stance but
understand that TM should adress this issue instead of aiding
people to continually rip other traders off on their site!
vfr (32) 10:46:43,
12/02/2002
Yup vrf...
Theres some
nasty retaliaters out there. Eg: a Friend of mine traded with
Kimbo, she came into the message board asking wheather or not she
should give bad feedback as it was truley a shocking trade. (I've
read the e-mails between them) Everyone said "yup thats what
feedback is for" (including me) now this trader has put some
nasty retaliation on her perfect feedback, it's all a load of B/S
(like I said e-mails to prove it) but now my friend is stuck with
this feedback through no fualt of her own. SUCKS! Kimbo if your
reading this, I know I certainly WILL NOT deal with you. Welcome
to my blacklist!
scorps (52) 10:50:13,
12/02/2002
dealing with kimbo
I wish
I could say I was shocked at Kimbos attitude,but Im NOT,I knew
she would do something spiteful like this.Placing bad feedback on
me when I have proof(via her emails) about how over the moon she
was at her jumper she recieved from me,also how I paid,and I
quote"in record time" A nasty,spiteful piece of work
she is..as I said to her "feedback is only about the
trade,not how you feel about the person" she obviously didnt
take heed.Im fine with your f/b that you placed Kimbo,because it
gave me a chance to redirect people to your's to get the full
story
arcaic (45) 10:55:17,
12/02/2002
I fail to see why TM haven't disabled
her
I've just been reading through her feedback and
even some of the ones with smiley faces don't have too good
things to say. I think intimadation and threathing retaliation is
what keeps her RED faces away. I have another friend who dealt
with her and only recieved half of the goods paid for, then
placed bad feedback and got a e-mail calling her a bitch and that
she would never get the other half. (she had to wait 3 weeks with
little communication and then B/S excuses to get the first half)
After having badfeedback placed on her they 'worked' it out and
my friend then placed good feedback on her. My guess is this has
happened alot with her trades. 9 bad and 3 nutral, How many do u
need b4 TM disable you?
scorps (52) 11:43:40,
12/02/2002
scorps, I don't think that just because
your freind got her goods that she should have
felt obliged to replace bad feedback with good. If you are left
with a bad taste in your mouth then the trade wasn't a positive
one, the feedback is there to guide buyers etc..If people knew
that they would get the goods, but only after a deal of hassle
and rudeness, most would pass on the deal, even if they wanted
the it.
pauley (3) 11:56:30,
12/02/2002
pauley
I am definately
with you there,place feedback with TRUTH!I know with Kimbo some
traders had a "fear" she would in turn place uncalled
feedback on them,so stuck with the "safe" option.Im
hopinh TM will remove her nasty feedback from mine*fingers
crossed*,but I would never back down and be intimidated,threatend
or begged into putting false feedback.Her nasty comments (on her
reply to myfeedback and her f/d on me) is just something I had to
put up with
arcaic (45) 12:23:49,
12/02/2002
Kimbos feedback
Well I
have just read some of Kimbos bad feedback.My advise is.Don't
sell stuff on this site if you cant keep up the end of the
bargain and secondly if one has to go out of town well heres a
wee lesson.Did you know you can check your auctions from anywhere
in the world.Im often out of town and always checking my site to
see whats what.I can also log into my email by picking up my pop
3 account.it's great especially when im over seas.There is really
no excuse for people having been away from thier computer.Oh and
by the way it's my birthday today.Off to buy something nice for
my lunch maybe something real fattening.
marilynmonroe (74) 12:55:54,
12/02/2002
What a waste of time and energy
Feedback
and Trustweb are there for exactly this reason. What the hell do
we need another list for? Just my opinion.
janice1 (15) 13:03:58,
12/02/2002
#181, read #17 for the answer
I
agree that there does need to be more than just links (for
example, nz2001nz has used other Trademe usernames, nz2001nz is
simply the latest one). Since the Trustweb is now being heartily
abused (jjbc is being blacklisted for no good reason is one
instance, check his feedback) and setting up a second or third
trademe account avoids this, a hall of shame based on the
nominations of other traders seems to be a step in the right
direction. The feedback system doesn't work either (it would be
better to ignore comments and have ratings of 1 to 100 based on
speed of delivery/payment, friendliness, whatever). I see a lot
of blatant untruths (and likely defamatory comments) with many
negative feedbacks (as well as with the odd response, when
checking against the auction listing and comments). The feedback
system and trustweb simply don't work, if they did, there would
be no fraudulent sellers nor defaulting bidders on Trademe.
sparhawk (29) 13:21:49,
12/02/2002
Another thought...
For the
TM blacklist system to work effectively there should be some way
of configuring our preferences so that we can have the option of
"Deny access to anyone with more than 'x' number of bad
feedbacks." It would seem more logical to put this fence at
the top of the cliff rather than wait till bids are entered only
to find they are ratbags and we need to send for the ambulance at
the bottom.
helen.c (338) 13:30:35,
12/02/2002
That was very well put Helen,
and
i agree with you, it would be great to have something like that
in place. sparhawk: I thought about a rating system a few weeks
ago instead of comments (perhaps more ppl would even leave
feedback as they wouldn't have to work out what to say) My
thought was a 1-5 (1 being the highest) system on 3 points.
Diffrent feedback sheet for buyer and seller so the sellers one
would have on it for eg: quick contact, quick payment, and maybe
overall feel about the trade. I was gonna post the idea but then
I thought...nahhhhhhh I really like reading the comments about me
(allbeit they have been great so far, no -'s) so I kinda went off
the idea. Just for my scorpian egos sake LOL. j/k.
scorps (52) 15:55:34,
12/02/2002
oh andddddd...
as for my
blacklisting jjbc, I just wouldn't want to trade with him, He may
be a very nice person who knows but I'm trusting my gut instinct
telling me he's not who he appears to be so I'm staying well
away. I think it's fair enough, I shouldn't have to trade with
him if I don't want to so I took the easy option of blacklisting
him incase he did decide to bid on something of mine and it went
un-noticed by me.
scorps (52) 15:56:48,
12/02/2002
Sparhawk
i am sick of you
saying that he has been blacklisted for no reason, this guy stole
information regarding me or about me from another site which i
pay to use to benifit his own little pointless website. i gave no
permission for him to use information regarding me nor did i
allow him to use my name on another website, he as far as i am
concerned is a common theif, he steels, it may not be material,
but to me it is the same thing as ripping off my auctions, he
took something that he has no right too, and yes i do know
better, i know he is wrong and i am right, it should be my choice
to complain, my name is there!
glenda (172) 16:06:27,
12/02/2002
I agree with Scorps in that we need
a
decent way to rate traders. Comments are subject to some very
hearty abuse (including defamation at times - "This trader
blows goats" is one that comes to mind). I had one guy (who
defaulted on my auction and is now disabled) that submitted
grossly untrue feedback and blacklisted me because I submitted
truthful and accurate feedback regarding the Trade. Fortunately,
all my other feedbacks indicated this was not the case. As for
automatic blacklisting, it wouldn't work since such bad traders
would (hopefully) be disabled by Trademe in time. Glenda, you
can't steal information in the public domain. In fact, all that
is being created here is a personal Trustweb (which is now more
accurate than your one) on a different site that is free from
Trademe censoring and editing. Hopefully it will get better with
time.
sparhawk (29) 16:35:31,
12/02/2002
Email trademe
Email Nigel
or Shopie.Tell them whats going on.They will rectify the problem
with this guy jjbc.
marilynmonroe (74) 16:38:01,
12/02/2002
ok....
no more bad trades
for me I guess, LOL. Anyway, can now pay my way, where as before
having to rely on benefit, don't have that problem, so will keep
good trades from now on. I am outta this topic unless I read
otherwise. I will be good from now on.
ladygolfer31 (16) 17:36:32,
12/02/2002
sparhawk..
thats very
funny actually, "this trader blows goats"..if I had a
site he would be in the hall of fame...New site
www.blowsgoats.com..check it out, it has all the traders who have
ben blacklisted for trading sex with underage goats for jumpers
that have been stretched..lol..lick it all off louie
pauley (3) 20:49:38,
12/02/2002
and lady golfer...
so you
rely on benefit...well why not spend less time trading and go get
a job. I love it, " I depend on benefit"..no you don't,
you rely on people with a job who work and pay tax for you to
dick around on this site...
pauley (3) 20:53:46,
12/02/2002
hey Pauley
I see you
bought a book written by Zane Grey.My partners grandfather was a
guide for Zane Gray.He also wrote Anglers Eldorado...Oh and it's
still my birthday everone and im at work .How revolting.....can
you believe it..
marilynmonroe (74) 20:55:44,
12/02/2002
marilyn....
oh my god..is
that realyy you?
pauley (3) 20:58:24,
12/02/2002
hey pauley
might want to
read a bit more carefully... ladygolfer HAS got a job... she DID
get off her bum :o)
stanley1 (19) 21:06:02,
12/02/2002
Well at last...
my goat
was sick of kissing her arse..
pauley (3) 21:10:03,
12/02/2002
Pauley
you need to stop
speaking out of yours.
jmma (69) 21:15:41,
12/02/2002
ahhhh....
thats what the
doctor said..eat these chillis, this ninegar, this vodka, and
this vindaloo..."will that cure my diesase doc" I said.
No, he said...but it wil teach you what your arse is for...
pauley (3) 21:19:03,
12/02/2002
Pauley
No sweety keep this
seemly.Just remember there are other kids that read this too
dear.
marilynmonroe (74) 21:21:33,
12/02/2002
two cheeks, one arse...
Actually
I fell over when I was a child, and the crck in my arse never
healed up...lol...lust after my limpet...
pauley (3) 21:21:52,
12/02/2002
Is assuming
Pauley is a
kid too.
marilynmonroe (74) 21:22:20,
12/02/2002
Pauleys profile
Oh im sooo
sorry I see your pic on your profile.We are a bit like chalk and
cheese when it comes to looks.I know my butt is waaaaaay nicer
than yours.nananana
marilynmonroe (74) 21:25:04,
12/02/2002
a kid in a goats body
yes
yes yes..I too audtioned for little red riding hood but he agent
said to me(marilyn) "darling, your seam is just too big...
pauley (3) 21:26:21,
12/02/2002
uhhhh.
Marilyn, the photo
is only head hi, my arse is way too sexy for my body...
pauley (3) 21:29:12,
12/02/2002
ok Pauleuy
This is where
I end this.Im off out for dinner now.It's my birthday.I am
absolutly starving.
marilynmonroe (74) 21:31:20,
12/02/2002
o.k...
just don't go to an
indian and have a goat curry, it could be my brother.I'm out too,
so see you kids tomorrow...
pauley (3) 21:35:46,
12/02/2002
the rating idea
you would
have to be specific e.g. time taken would not be a rating of 1-5
but rather - took 1 day to pay, 2 days 3 days a week 2 weeks a
month. Otherwise some people might give a 5 for being paid after
2 days, and others a 3 even though there is no difference. What
should traders be rated on? I think an option of rude or polite
(one or the other), and time taken would be fair. Or you could
put in an exact number of days and have an average and median
displayed so people know that you normally take 3 days to pay and
therefore don't get agitated :) then you could have a comment box
as well, so that you can put extra comments if you like. But it
helps people out who don't know what to say
loonee-dial-111 (29) 21:39:32,
12/02/2002
someones thinking :O)
Very
good ideas loonee, doubt TM would ever change it though aye, but
still ya just never know lol
scorps (52) 21:43:09,
12/02/2002
ok Pauley...
you obviously
don't read all threads on the message board cos as from the 4th
February I am in a full time job now and it is thanks to another
website where my CV is that got me the job etc...
ladygolfer31 (16) 15:09:44,
13/02/2002
A big thank you....
to
Stanley1 for his comments about me and working. I indeed have a
job, and it is more fun, and I spend less time during the day on
the puter. Mine is still in the shop after 5 weeks, but shit
happens.
ladygolfer31 (16) 16:18:30,
13/02/2002
I think...
Pauley is a
little immature litte sh*t. At least I am now working, probably
unlike him, and I did have a child at home, but now she has gone
to school. I was a SOLO MUM, thats why I was on a benefit for.
DIIPSTICK!!!!
ladygolfer31 (16) 17:42:36,
13/02/2002
what i think is immature
is
a person who wants to be percieved as an adult, ranting
childishly by not only calling people names and attempting to
discredit with supposition and imagined nonsense, as well as
attempting to expose faults in other traders when their own
history is less than perfect.
karamea (46) 18:20:08,
13/02/2002
Pauley
Youre in for it now
boy.Lets get out the whip girls.
marilynmonroe (74) 18:26:27,
13/02/2002
well
marilyn. pauley might
like the whip especially as he seems to have a thing about arses.
Makes the mind boggle at the intelligence of some people. Ive
been a solo mother to, worked my guts out for years to feed my
first husbands drug habit, and only gave it up 6 years ago, I
have to admitt though id love to be in the workforce again, all
those lovely dollars.
lyndav (62) 19:11:11,
13/02/2002
Lyn
Sorry to hear about
your ex husband.Men grrrrr.Well Ive not hd the experience of
being a solo mother but it must be really hard.I admire woman who
bring up children on their own.As your kids get a little older
you will get back into the work force im sure.
marilynmonroe (74) 20:00:30,
13/02/2002
Am I being audacious, or should
the
Trademe Admin also be admitted to the Hall of
Shame? The lack of responses to legitemate concerns voiced via
email and this message board would seem to be good reason. :(
sparhawk (29) 20:21:30,
13/02/2002
Tsk tsk tsk Marilyn
thats
a very sexist remark :o) I haven't had any experience at being a
solo mother either - been too busy in the last 10 years being a
solo father... although I admit I have had more sympathetic looks
than frowns so its not quite as hard.
stanley1 (19) 20:52:19,
13/02/2002
no offence stan..
but in
today society its a lot "harder" to be a solo
mother..EXACT same thing a solo mum/dad does,but when you get a
solo mother its "oh ANOTHER one" and you get a solo
father "ohh isnt that lovely that POOR' man!" I think
both solo parents do great jobs though:-)
arcaic (45) 21:24:04,
13/02/2002
quite agree arcaic
I did
try to make that point (not very well of course), but I was also
trying to point out to marilyn that we aren't ALL a nasty waste
of space :o) (It was a little tongue in cheek really lol)
stanley1 (19) 21:28:45,
13/02/2002
you made..
your point very
well Stan:-)
arcaic (45) 21:37:07,
13/02/2002
nothing but the utmost respect from me
I
don't know how you woman *looks at stanly* and men *g* manage it.
I go nuts if my other half hasn't walked through the door by
5:30. And I only have one child! I bow to all of ya because I am
truley not worthy. have to say a quick pet hate that I get is "so
when r you going back to work?" I went back to work when my
son was 3 months old till a few months ago and being a nanny I
was lucky to be able to take him with me BUT I hated it, 6am
starts and not getting to bed till midnite preparing for the next
day. Full on and I resented the other children for taking my time
away from my precious wee man. So when that happens you REALLY
shouldn't working with them so i quit. I'll maybe look again
after he turns 1, but until then ppl can shove their comments up
their bum. I like how woman have fought to work etc but it's a
shame how when you choose to stay at home these days you judged
as lazy. *sigh if only they knew what staying at home involved
lol*
scorps (52) 21:37:22,
13/02/2002
Stanley
me being blonde
asks why that was a sexist remark I made to Lyn????I don't have
and don't want kids so I wouldn't know what it's like to be a
mother, little own a solo mother..My partner is like one big 6"4
baby anyway.Thats enough
marilynmonroe (74) 21:39:00,
13/02/2002
Sorry Marilyn
just my
little niggle about solo parents always being classed as solo
mothers (and the grr lol). Thanks scorps, I quite agree about the
stigma attached to stay at home parents - it sucks. I have a
friend who works part time and refers to it as Paid Employment
Outside The Home - as opposed to drudgery at home :o)... oh and
sorry to those grizzle grumps whose thread has been hijacked, you
can have it back now :o))
stanley1 (19) 21:49:47,
13/02/2002
hands back...
the
thread:-) you know what it is?..we are so starved for adult
conversation that if anyone older than 18yrs old even looks like
they are going to say something we pounce on them!
arcaic (45) 21:54:29,
13/02/2002
i know
what you mean about
adult conversation, its not so bad here but when we lived in
anothe town where people did not accept new comers, i would go
weeks without seeing anyone but my hubby. So i would punce on
anyone that came to our house and yak yak yak, I have to wonder
how the hell I managed without a comoputer before. Well im away
to bed my day starts at 6.30am every morning. Take care all.
lyndav (62) 22:32:35,
15/02/2002
just one little question....
is
fisher and gamefisher one in the same person????
ladygolfer31 (16) 10:16:46,
16/02/2002
just one little question...
does
ladygolfer play golf
fisher (71) 10:48:14,
16/02/2002
hahahahaha
ladygopher ,
they are different individuals indeed :)
vfr (32) 20:16:51,
16/02/2002
Well I think jjbc believes he
is
two, jjbc...is that an cryptic acronym for john the baptist,
jesus christ...
pauley (3) 20:25:37,
16/02/2002
Not sure
How fair the
'Hall of shame' system is or will turn out to be. But there are
many many brilliant traders here at trademe. Why arn't people
posting the great traders names here, not all is bad! I'll give
some. * deb01 * * cliftonhill * * gypsy * * bennie * * steve * *
von * * hardaway * * jo-anne * * maxxx * * muzza3 * *
marilynmonroe * Gees I could go all night. Come on people let's
have some positive vibes here! If these Halls are going to be
there, let's focus on filling up the 'Hall of fame!' :-)))
sojo (47) 00:24:20,
17/02/2002
Making the numbers count
Just
to keep things in perspective, I've added up the “pros”
and “cons” messages, up to about 1/3 of the way through
this thread, before it degenerated in to a slanging /
justification match, and also before JJBC decided not to
contribute. I’ve only included postings that were either for
or against jjbc’s web site: There were also 20 people asking
questions or offering neutral comments a total of 32 times. Some
of these 20 are included below if they made a separate definitive
comment one way or another in another message. Of the 20, 12 made
other comments opposing jjbc....
crusoe (5) 06:46:50,
17/02/2002
cont...
The number of
messages and message posters were jjbc posted 30 messages 8
people wanting traders listed in the “hall of shame”.
Two of these people later disagreed with jjbc’s concept.
Those for jjbc’s site = 6 people. 14 comments were posted, 9
of the from one commentator - sparhawk. One of the other 5 later
posted comment adverse to the jjbc’s concept Against jjbc’s
site = 23 people, making 47 comments in total.
crusoe (5) 06:48:29,
17/02/2002
end...
There have been
others who have decided they are better connected than we mere
mortals, and who can change the order of the world (however
small), because of this close and intimate connection - "King
Canute the Great, the legend says, seated on his throne on the
seashore,waves lapping round his feet”
crusoe (5) 07:16:30,
17/02/2002
most certainly....
this
ladygolfer does indeed play golf, her handicap is on the Net, and
plays golf at the home course of Michael Campbell the
Professional.
ladygolfer31 (16) 07:37:39,
17/02/2002
my handicap...
is also in
my name on here, LOL.
ladygolfer31 (16) 07:40:19,
17/02/2002
ladygolfer seeing that you want
to
be a smartass in #225 on this thread & turn thing personal, I
have never doubted that you are a golfer its the first part of
your user name that I have doubts about. And just remember you
are the one that started being personal.
gamefisher (36) 10:36:55,
17/02/2002
#232, you should stop
your
mindless counting of threads (for which you admit that you gave
up 1/3 of the way through) and focus on the benefits and costs of
having an independent means to rank traders. Also take note of
the dodgy traders using new usernames (as well as traders with
the odd bad feedback that still haunts their guilty consciences).
;)
sparhawk (29) 11:48:19,
17/02/2002
